Nano-Technician: Max's Discoveries and Tips

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Nano-Technician: Max's Discoveries and Tips

Postby BlueMeenie » Wed May 05, 2004 4:39 am

Max's Discoveries and Tips


Many of these little "Nuggets" are probable known to most of you, but there is a big diffrence
between "Knowing the path , And Walking the Path"

Disclaimer: This information shall be used at your own Risk, Maxnano accepts no Liability for
"Gimping" , "Death", either Permanent or Temporary or "Bankrupcy".


Perks:
Completly Max out Enhance Health: At lvl 201, this Adds 1500 HP , and requires 7Perk points.
How many of you actually run out of nano ? , our perk line is missleading in that all our
Profession perks are aimed at Nano Regain, i think some of these can be reset and used better elsewhere.

Theoretical Research,

Put 3 Points here, the special this gives you is a 60 second Root, can no enforcer can Rage it off,
and cannot be broken in any way, the recharge on this is 1:30 min
(the benifits in this are obvious)

This Takes up 10 Points, the rest are up to you, (will update)


Token Board,

The 1K board is essencial: this adds 950 HP, Even tho max has been around a very long time, he only has 500
Tokens, I hate missions, plain and simple, but there is another way, "the gun quest" this gives a token every time you complete it.
(will add Link)

Tactics:
This one is un-confirmed, When fighting a mob, go full def, and when nullity is up, go full agro.
aparently this works well, this can also be used while fighting the mob while rooted.


Armor:

Tier 1 NT Armor Sucks big time:

An objective of mine is to replace every part of it with armor that adds HP

Sentinels boots: Vest of torpid sunrays , MNT or Merlin Cloak, the list goes on and on,
Use the game,
kill millions of hecklers, this is a feture of the game, not a bug and not an exploit
if it was, it would be gone by now, just be mindfull of other players, while area nuking. you can
make between 50mill per hour (bad day) to 150 mill per hour (good Day) use this to fund your NT
(i will be updating my Signature with my Ideal "achieveable"setup )


This is a starting point, please add other usefull info

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Re: Max's Discoveries and Tips

Postby rahmorak » Wed May 05, 2004 5:44 am

Thanks for the great info Blue, however I have this annoying habit of playing Devil's Advocate so here goes: :)

BlueMeenie wrote:Completly Max out Enhance Health: At lvl 201, this Adds 1500 HP , and requires 7Perk points.

Yes, Enhance Health is a nice perk and quite a lot of NTs use it (I came very close to training it up myself). However, there are other factors to consider:
  1. 7 perk points is a LOT. The 7 points I have in Notum Source allows me to calm just about any mob there is, and that will save the team as a whole a lot more than extra health, and me in an emergency situation. Alternatively 7 perk points in Starfall would provide a debuff that stacks with blinds, meaning Fixers etc. will hardly get hit, and in Fulldef I would be far less likely to be hit.
  2. My personal opinion is that Extra health is a wee bit over-rated. Reason being that we don't have any heals. i.e. if using Stims I struggle to keep my health at maximum now, then the only benefit extra health provides is to survive one, maybe two, more hits. While that CAN mean the difference between life and death it is not often enough the case for me to pass over perks that provide a more general benefit.
  3. The reqs on the 'deck nukes are insanely high, Nano Doctorate and Notum Siphon is a must if you want to cast anywhere near your level in nukes, i.e. if I maxxed Nano Doctorate with 200-230 symbiants, Black Cloak hood etc. I am still about 40 points short of the 207 nuke. And the reqs go up faster than the MC we get each level so by the time you hit 215+ any non-NM is going to need every MC item they can get. As it is I have just enough Nano doctorate to allow me to hit the 205 nuke.
  4. Nano regen is not an issue for a lot of NTs because they are using Res Blast+Weapon (my favoured combination). However if you intend to use 'deck nukes (e.g. raids) then you WILL run out of nano fast even with most of the perks.

Now, as I said they are the reasons I didnt pick EH over NS or Starfall, you may find that it works for you and if you are mainly soloing then it may be the best route to go (I am usually teamed).

How many of you actually run out of nano ? , our perk line is missleading in that all our Profession perks are aimed at Nano Regain, i think some of these can be reset and used better elsewhere.


Pre-TL7 using 'deck nukes you can run out of nano FAST if you have a decent nano init. Once you get to 780 Psychic the 2s tick on Nano Delta is enough to reduce/eliminate the need for a lot of our nano regen perks (e.g. Essence of Notum).

Theoretical Research,
Put 3 Points here, the special this gives you is a 60 second Root, can no enforcer can Rage it off,
and cannot be broken in any way, the recharge on this is 1:30 min


Yep, probably one of the best perk specials an NT has available. If I had the spare perk points I would have snatched it up. However a couple of things to note:
  1. Actual recharge seems to be 2min 30s. i.e. the 60s root plus the 90s recharge.
  2. From what I can gather you can use a Root Breaker stim to break TR (obviously PvP only :))

The 1K board is essencial: this adds 950 HP, Even tho max has been around a very long time, he only has 500
Tokens


Absolutely, the 1k board is probably one of the best items in-game.

This one is un-confirmed, When fighting a mob, go full def, and when nullity is up, go full agro. aparently this works well, this can also be used while fighting the mob while rooted.


Yep, this is a cornerstone of the NT tactics when solo'ing. In addition to this use your blinds (blinds+fulldef makes a HUGE difference, ask Freuty about the difference when I use blinds ;)) and when Nullity is about to run out re-layer.

I just wish there a macro way of changing the AggDef slider isntead of having to use the mouse, you tend to lose a few seconds there. :'(

Tier 1 NT Armor Sucks big time:


lol, yes it does. :) Tier 2 is pretty crap too (Ranged Energy, wtf?!), and even Tier3 could do with a major revision.

An objective of mine is to replace every part of it with armor that adds HP


The problem for a lot of people is getting that armour, and that is what I meant when I referred to the time and cost involved to make NT comparable. Also, once again it largely boils down to play-style. Using Res Blast in a team I very rarely draw aggro, when I do I use Fade Anger to detaunt, or if someone needs to recover I hit nullity then detaunt before nullity runs out. As such I don't have a great need for Health, the scenarios where I die are typically because I wasn't watching my health bar or because the whole team got wiped out.

kill millions of hecklers, this is a feture of the game, not a bug and not an exploit. . . use this to fund your NT


I must admit when kiting Ely hecklers, even pre-nerf, I didnt achieve the amounts of money you mention, and I kited over 30+ hecklers at a time. I have gone several hours wihtout a single platinum bar dropping, however I agree it is by far the fastest way for an NT to make money.

However, ever since I turned 204 I have avoided the Ely hecklers as I just feel wrong killing hecklers that give no SK when other people need them to level. Maybe I will head there some point but unless it is VERY quiet I won't do it.

Some additional stuff:

  • AddAllDef. Our Symbiants give us addalldef and in Fulldef with blinds these can help a LOT. My overal AddAlldef has gone up by about 150-200 points and boy do I notice the difference, basically it is an extra 200 to my evades.
  • Blinds. One of our best tools. When combined with Fulldef+AddallDef+DM (+80 evades) we can get a pretty decent rate of misses for a lot of mobs.
  • Nano Init. Personally I think this is way under-rated. I have gimped myself quite heavily in ACs and health items to maximise my Nano init (I typically have 1830 nano init but can hit 1870-1900 self-buffed). With the Soldiers OS buff I can speed-cap resonance Blast (or ISL) and will do about an extra 20% damage over someone with, say, 1400 nano init. Also, at 1950 Nano Init you can Instacast Kel's at Fulldef, and layers is pretty fast. In the spirit rooms in Inferno, Kels+Fulldef = mass carnage+SK. Again though this depends on play-style.
  • Resonance Blast. If you can have one nano, make it Res Blast. If used with a weapon this will OD the deck nukes until you reach aboout 215, and even then you can't argue with an in-built detaunt and extremely low nano cost (oh and it is FAR easier to time each cast). I would like to see every 200+ Cerberus NT with RB.
  • RB+Weapon. This has greatly increased my solo-ability. In Penumra hollows I simply stayed in FullDef with CDR+Flux firing away while I recovered my Health through stims and Layering/NS. Onec I was back to full Health I threw in the nukes. Rinse and repeat.
  • Customised Desert Reet (CDR). Available from the Lab Director. This little pistol is AWESOME used as on off-hand weapon, easy to get a low Burst Recharge and if you have the money (I don't :)) you can add some Fire dmg[+health] Arul Saba bracers for some pretty nice additional damage. :)
  • Style. Vastly under-rated. I wear a ql1 Tattoo just cos it looks cool. Heck I may die and OK I am a gimp, but at least I look good doing it. ;) (and one of the reasons I dropped the JAME, I couldnt stand those white Kaehlar sleeves ;))


Keep it coming. :)
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Postby Freuty » Wed May 05, 2004 5:56 am

Heck with all these little nuggets of vital info.. I'm tempted to start an NT ;) Good going guys, really useful :D
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Postby Cilamene » Wed May 05, 2004 4:09 pm

Great collection of ideas here. :D I think Rahm hit a lot of the concerns I would have about the strategy list. Some of what both of you have mentioned is the story at TL6+, and a some of what Max mentioned is also pretty breed-dependent. A few things from my own humble experience:

-Agreed with Rahm on running out of nano. I have all of the nano perks I can take for my level, an Arul Saba +nano bracer, run IOR constantly, and I still feel that I'm always out of nano in missions. I need to use the SL deck nukes in teams because my only RK nuke options are heavy on taunt, and I don't like tanking 212 enfs. >.< At pre-195, the deck nukes are the only way I can do decent damage without pulling aggro like crazy in teams. And of course, being a non-nanomage NT hurts some for nano too.

-Sort of off-topic but amusing: A PvPing NT I talked to mentioned that Quark Containment Field worked so well for him in a lot of PvP cases because a lot of people would just forget to get Free Movement stims or forget to use them. :P

-The agg/def bar slider issue: I mentioned this to a few people already, but that's something I tried a while back, both for Bio Cocoon and Nullity Sphere II, and it's impossible if you're in a laggy situation. I almost always have a decent amount of mouse lag while fighting (I basically only use the mouse for looting--everything I do is keyboard shortcutted because of this), so I gave up on trying to do this at all. It's definitely a very nifty tactic though, and it worked very nicely when I actually managed to get it to work. :D

-NT first tier armor is crap: Still looking for suitable TL5 replacement armor that I think looks good and is reasonable to get hold of. :roll: I generally scorn ACs because I feel they're much less important than evades and armor mods, but having 3k ACs at 170 can hurt sometimes.

-OMGZ ADD ALL DEF!!!1!11 One of the first things I usually tell people starting NTs is: max MC, max health, max treatment, max evades. Mmm, evades.
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Postby LilBurst » Wed May 05, 2004 5:42 pm

i'd like to get some input on breed...I have a 30 something Solitus NT and he's pretty good...however, the extra skills and pool of a nanomage are tempting...any regrets going solitus? not that i'd ever get to 200...none of my alts are over 70 :oops:
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Postby Smacdevil » Wed May 05, 2004 9:59 pm

Great thread, lots of nice info here :)

About choice of breed (my personal view): The only reason for an NT to NOT be nanomage, is if you're making a PvP char. In that case, go Atrox. In PvM you'll most likely be in a team with a tank anyway so the extra HP isn't a big enough advange to offset the nanobreed advantage for casters.
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Re: Max's Discoveries and Tips

Postby Nusse » Thu May 06, 2004 2:11 am

rahmorak wrote:[*]Style. Vastly under-rated. I wear a ql1 Tattoo just cos it looks cool. Heck I may die and OK I am a gimp, but at least I look good doing it. ;) (and one of the reasons I dropped the JAME, I couldnt stand those white Kaehlar sleeves ;))


So you're claiming to have style, Rahmbo? :shock: Well everyone can't be a sexah bald nanomage I guess.....
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Postby rahmorak » Thu May 06, 2004 3:10 am

LilBurst wrote:i'd like to get some input on breed...I have a 30 something Solitus NT and he's pretty good...however, the extra skills and pool of a nanomage are tempting...any regrets going solitus? not that i'd ever get to 200...none of my alts are over 70 :oops:


If you dont intend to go as far as TL6, then Solitus/Atrox is probably the best combination you can pick.

Unfortunately a lot of the time someone will end up picking a breed thinking they will never get 200+ and then they end up regretting it. No names mentioned. *blush*

So unless, as smac says, you are building a PvP char (and there are schools of thought on using minimal health there to mop up the 40% cap with layers, e.g. a nanomage with low body dev), or you KNOW you will never get very high level I would go nanomage. Truth is though, an NT can probably level faster than any other profession <=200.

Nusseblob wrote:So you're claiming to have style, Rahmbo? Well everyone can't be a sexah bald nanomage I guess.....


You see, sexah+bald+nanomage immediately disqualifies any opinion you have on style. :)


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Postby Nusse » Thu May 06, 2004 3:31 am

rahmbo wrote:
Nusseblob wrote:So you're claiming to have style, Rahmbo? Well everyone can't be a sexah bald nanomage I guess.....


You see, sexah+bald+nanomage immediately disqualifies any opinion you have on style. :)


*Sniff* Well I'm sure Cogs agree with me though - although I don't find him remotely sexy myself....
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Postby Cogs » Thu May 06, 2004 7:07 am

*grins* I fully support Nusse on this! And, all it takes, Im sure, is to haul Rahm's butt to the arena, and Im sure we can settle this little dispute!

Oh yes....bald, nano and sexah! :mrgreen:

oh, and to beleive this guy claims to have style? sporting that polish pornstar moustache, you can never have style, Rahm.....just face it....
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Postby rahmorak » Thu May 06, 2004 8:04 am

Cogs wrote:*grins* I fully support Nusse on this! And, all it takes, Im sure, is to haul Rahm's butt to the arena, and Im sure we can settle this little dispute!


*cough* I am sure that won't be necessary. :-''

(mind you, it might be interesting to see how easy you beat me now after the hammering I gave you last time ;))

Oh yes....bald, nano and sexah! :mrgreen:


I guess there are some women that find bald is sexy (e.g. Patrick Stewart et al.) but NANOMAGE?! My god, you guys (and gals) look like a corpse that has been floating in the River Ganges for the best part of a decade but even the fish didn't nibble at your pale, skinny hides!

oh, and to beleive this guy claims to have style? sporting that polish pornstar moustache, you can never have style, Rahm.....just face it....


Well.. uh... I have tried shaving the 'tash but it seems to grow back quicker than I can shave it. Hey ho, I have made the most of it, it is the man that carries the tash, not the tash that carries the man. ;)
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Postby Cilamene » Thu May 06, 2004 8:08 am

Cogs wrote:oh, and to beleive this guy claims to have style? sporting that polish pornstar moustache, you can never have style, Rahm.....just face it....


I thought it was Clanstar who had the Polish pornstar mustache.

And about the breeds: I'm very glad to have chosen Solitus, because it helped me get by for quite a while without getting insta-squished. And CI lasts longer than health buffs. :P I saw a lot of nanomage NTs my level get killed in 2 hits from red mobs that wouldn't calm due to their lower health. You can't fully avoid getting aggro as a NT, even if you're careful, so I think being solitus helped a bit.

And on the health vs. max nano issue: I triple implant max health but not max nano. At level 172 with my current equipment setup, I have around 5500 health and 7500 nano.
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Postby Nusse » Thu May 06, 2004 8:14 am

rahmorak wrote:NANOMAGE?! My god, you guys (and gals) look like a corpse that has been floating in the River Ganges for the best part of a decade but even the fish didn't nibble at your pale, skinny hides!


And you don't find that sexah? ((does his best Austin Powers voice)) Do I make you horny, baby? ((various cencored moves))
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Postby Cogs » Thu May 06, 2004 8:46 am

ROTFL!! nuff said :D
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Postby Cilamene » Thu May 06, 2004 3:43 pm

The next way to make creds for the Cerberus org bank is going to be sales of the "NANOMAGE ENGIES GONE WILD!!!1!!" pr0n video.
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